The steve that wrote at Aug 11, 2007 10:50:06 AM So, we have an example of a human work done in faith though the result is due to God. Then let us no more pass judgment on one another, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. We are talking about James White. I choose not to rn out and buy Whites book. In whose eyes? James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. The traditions actually cloud the truth of the scriptures in Modern Judaism. next day on aomins blog:I have proof that the abuse of my name has direct ties to the Romanist sect. Name Server: Perhaps the example of the schoolyard bully whos parents can never admit their little Johny could ever do anything wrong would have been less offensive but the point would be the same. 2) While said random posters include those with a less-than-charitable bend (and I make no excuses for them). Until Whites supporters can play by the rules of courteous debate and logic, their alternate explanations are not accessible. Just in case Marys comment was not clear enough. w00t! Let him who boasts boast in the Lord. For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends. It just means that he took a short cut in order to receive the title of Dr. without the usual formation that goes with the typical doctoral program. I accused Esau of knowingly committing fallacy, and dilineated exactly how he did it. Blog Bill912, For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. If they are utterly ignorant of human nature, maybe. Hmmmmm, What questions has ChurchMouse asked specifically? He is the author of more than twenty books, a professor and an accomplished debater. *salutes Mr. Spock* Ive always thought that Vulcans would make great Catholics. Yes, to an extent they did. 2. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins The intention of the Christian who admonishes is to bring life to the admonished by correcting a sin and bringing him back to Christ. This is DISHONEST folks! Of course if we all took to heart the words Paul Hoffer quoted from Cardinal Newman (May no one be less good for having come within my influence. Trent, in many ways, is irrelevant to the Reformation. (Though no one ever seems to call out Muslims who make Racism! accusations when they really mean Islamophobia [sic]. With each passing phase of His unfolding of revelation in Scripture, canon (infalible) remained current and infallible, fully reflective (by necessity) of the ongoing work of enscripturation. I appreciate the kind comment though. Ironically, some of the most notorious places where we see actual theocracies in Christendom are in certain Reformed communitiesGeneva, Covenanter Scotland, Cromwells England and Puritan Massachusetts. 602-973-4602 Therefore, alpha omega tattoos are also popular among Christians, as it is symbolic of Christs completeness. It was very gracious of you to paint Dr. White as an Islamic fundamentalist. A note to Dr. White: you have written on you blog: In this very thread, I see people getting into the same old debates about sola scriptura etc, saying nothing new. Should we leave them the impression that the claims against us are irrefutable? In this syllogism, Roman Catholic is qualified, ergo it is not a universal, but a particular. wayne Ahhh sooooo. for we also forgive EVERYONE who sins against us. Really, I dont think its unreasonable to request that information beyond go read this book be provided when having a discussion. We had considered installing blog software that would support comments, but I do not have the time to monitor such a feature to begin with, and unlike Catholic Answers, which has a multi-million dollar budget and a staff at least six or more times larger than our own, the only other staff person does not have time to mess with it either. He didnt return the vitriol Sungenious was throwing at him. He will not win any to his way of thinking by using these pictures. Mr. That is, why would Catholic anybody (e.g., Catholic Answers, Jimmy Akin, or especially the Catholic Church) actually engage in such an act? But its *not* a big deal! It is true that there are alternative means of expressing frustration. Joe Ventilacion Who Is God? It is an inherent part of both Roman and Islamic epistemology. Gwen, please explain why Jesus would feel a need to give this power to those who followed him in life, if that power was not needed later on? (If anyone knows Frank Beckwith, you know thats his style of humor). That kind of gets you very close to the mud and sometimes you fall in. Your brilliant response: I believe they would have believed in Sola Scriptura. So a person who, with charity himself, points this out is fulfilling Christs teachings perfectly, in a profound way. 4) To that end, everything that happens to James White reflects wonderfully on him and proves his case beyond a shadow of a doubt. He received a BA from Grand Canyon College, an MA from Fuller Theological Seminary, and a Th.M., a Th.D. And just what is right and wrong? If our spiritual milk and meat (food) is corrupted, then we are in BIG Regardless of what has happened behind the keyboard, no one can argue that White is rude to his opponents in his debates and the White/Pacwa debates have proved this. The expectation that people drop whatever theyre doing and answer Liar. Or are you so wrapped up with your infatuation for James White that you didnt even pay attention to certain particulars which have clearly gone above your head! Yet, where is the logic in his argument: Those defending White had demonstrated more than I want to know about them. 2Thes 2:15: You level against me that: What Does a Christian Need to Know About Social Justice? Jed, why did Jesus qualify His command that we must forgive with the words if he repents? Who Resembles Jesus? This is old knowledge in the humor field and at worst I may have stated things in a compressed and hasty fashion because of limited space. Esau, As Zack was pastoring in the summer 2012, he was awakened to the abortion holocaust and has never been the same since. Vile is a name a label Jesus did not write, in a physical sense, any of the books that are included in Holy Scripture surely He could have nade it clear to even the most dense of us (me). Chi rho tattoos are related to Jesus and Christianity, as the X and P are the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ. When all this started Dr Beckwith was asking a pretty tough question. *grin*. Most especially, thank you for the defense of Mr. Akin and all of his defenders. Meh! Perhaps from your view of theology. I appears to me that Dr. White is simply a bit challenged by Dr. Beckwiths return to the Catholic Church and has let his emotion get the best of him. And take his blog as it isself-centered, gospel-blurring invective. Should I call you Doctor? By the way, How exactly are Islamists the National Socialist Workers of the post 9/11 world? Dont make the mistake of assuming I hold the same low standard as you. Blessed Redeemer Youve asked the questions on Whites site and indeed seem to be interested in resolution of those questions. Expiration Date:04-Aug-2008 09:17:04 UTC Name above all names . by his stripes I am healed. (Same people It IS a bit of levity. Your opinions dont matter. Did you decide that yourself or did someone decide it for you? I was addressing the Roman Catholic apologetics community. White came across as one of conspiracy fundamentalists. Its also an example of what I see as a sense of entitlement. http://www.jamesrwhite.org now points at Whites site. CareBear, HAHAAHwhat is the world coming to. By their fruits you will know them. If I somehow hurt your feelings than Esau should have pages more written about him because he has intentionally argued fallaciously, i.e. I suppose I should brush up on my regulations though, that or Mr. Akin should deal with the issues. It was supposed to be a hypothetical, as follows (changes in bold): The pics were to appeal to the anticatholic. Jimmy, when you take stupid things seriously, you yourself look stupid. The expectation that people drop whatever theyre doing and answer your/Whites laundry list of 8 questions. That is a relationship of some form Is this not getting through or are you just ignoring the fact your comitting fallacy like I sarcastically portrayed? Its clear these people have no interest whatsoever in rational discourse. Scripture is not, me and my Bible alone under a tree or, Soli Scriptura. Apparently you dont understand what it means to make a category error. 26:28). Does Jimmys come with the white cowboy hat? I dont need to read everything hes written about every topic in order to engage in discussion about a single topic. That is precisely the genius of the faith instituted by Jesus, that it would not rely on such chicanery, but would instead be truly a work of the Spirit, such that no one man or group could subvert it to human ends, thus leaving no one but God Himself to receive the glory when the full story is finally told. No question, hes an intelligent and canny individual. Would the Disciples not choose their own disciples? I would tend to agree, excepting the comparison being made here is not Catholics being murderous, but that those who call for James Whites charity do not bear it themselves. Or do you not do so now since this was just a RUSE all along to besmirch Catholic Answers reputation!? thus doesnt need to have the slightest relation to the site it forwards to. Nevertheless, the seriousness you take these jokes from a fool worries me. Its a rebuttal of Whites book-length critique of the first edition of Geislers book. Its true that our sins make for suffering, but there is also pain and suffering that is undeserved. Isnt this the kind of answers that Roman Catholic apologists hate? Speaking of CHEAP DEBATE TACTICS TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES, you seem to OVERLOOK the fact that it is JAMES WHITE resorting to CHEAP DEBATE TACTICS TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES, but I guess THATS OKAY, huh???? When I attempted to explain that participation in the hypostatic union was a well-known element of patristic theology, from First Nicaea to Chalcedon to Second Nicaea, he hung up on me. The gnostic Baptist in me in wanted to run away. 2. So I will stand up and say when people have boldly crossed the line.). He is building a castle in the air, connected to nothing. how to hack router admin password using kali linux short acting scenes for students garden state recycling fort myers ever after high character maker jacksmith cool . he claims implies that they are irrefutable. apostate religious leaders who support the new So there were disagreements. not all faiths can lead to salvation, only the One True Church, the Catholic Church How can you make the claim that you havnt seen anything substaintiating Sola Scriptura when you WONT read anything substaintiating it? Way towhat did yall do anyway? Even sinful man has movements of the spirit that require our respect. Yall that are tossing the verses, you might want to read the whole thing. Finally, it is not funny in the least. Id like to note something amusing: How about you summarize it for me, so I at least have something to work with, instead of just rewriting what I said and ignoring the willingness to hear the arguments, if not through reading the actual book in the next 5 minutes. IMHO, Whites arguments arent based upon anything but his declaration of what arises from Gods sovereignty. Whose fruit is this squabbling between Jimmy and James? 2023 Alpha and Omega Ministries. Furthermore, for somebody who, on the surface, professes a distaste for ad hominems; how interesting to note that the majority of his comments were, all in all, ad hominems! Given that the comment was made the intention of injecting levity, it can be forgiven, right? Splendid stuff. My answer is above and didnt evade anything. I wasnt aware Wikipedia was an authoritative source in any arena, including theological debate. You even share Whites clueless arrogant martyr complex. Hehe, found out something amusing. Ill fix your quote for you. James White Has Completely Lost It. Paraphrasing of the argument what was originally asked, anyways. Then dont quote. For some, the filter includes Rome. Do you have questions about Catholicism that you want to ask Jimmy? Hence, a tattoo displaying the alpha and omega letters together bridges the gap between ones soul and physical presence. Tech Name:to attn. James Robert White is a Baptist theologian,[1] the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, an evangelical Reformed Baptist Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona and a Christian scholar. A word to CareBear (since you seem to want to speak to matters of logic often times): the logic of humor is about three times harder to understand than anything you are likely to have seen, even if you were to be a professional logician, so, if I have made what you consider to be any logical mistakes in my presentation here, spare me the analysis. In response to the unbeliever I would say it was all God, through man. and so on say much more about you then your arguments do. Kind of a DeVry Technical Institute for theology. There also may grounds for losing ones salvation by conversion and I guess the exact nature of this belief varies according to the individual believer. That is total heresy! Apologetics cannot do everything, you know. Nice job sneaking in the hate reference (Islamists & Jews). Does anyone else remember that saying: Rather than deal with this, some play every which way but loose, even to the point of insinuating I did it. I feel if I quote anymore Dr. White is going to sue me. Simply Amazing. thread, it would be ridiculous for Catholic Answers to go to the extent of purchasing a domain name as Jamesrwhite.org just to trick the visitors into visiting Catholic.com since (1) it can appear as a negative point against these folks (2) it places too much importance on the likes of James White. Jimmy never said anything to the effect of neener, neener, but I do agree with him asking friends of Mr. White to explain why his actions are inappropriate, since he MIGHT be more liable to take their words to heart. Continue to Make Such a Big Deal about it in this one? Wish more folks who find a wrong in such a thing would do it. obligated in charity to consider the sensibilities of the audience before creating the joke. Maybe on his screen it looked smaller. 2. Can somebody say LAWSUIT??? SeanPatrickCornell. I suppose, given that you showed up to defend someone who called a man a liar on very shaky grounds, we should not be surprised at your tactics. However, we can trust the Canon as written down at Nicea because of the authority given to the Church, by Jesus and through Peter. When you gulp down the unexamined assertions of any one-true-agent-of-God-on-earth organization, you will begin to stumble down a very dark and threatening path. However, it is axiomatic that all healing comes from Jesus. If its good enough to post on a ministry blog, then its good enough for the other media. What gives? If you would like to know more about Jamie or further details on our editorial policy then just click the links in the footer. Keep in mind, youre suggesting he proclaims victory in every one of his debates. repentance from a change of What I am saying is that if a person thought it was somehow funny to use them, and responded belligerently when told that constitutes poor judgment, I certainly wouldnt try to discuss the finer points of race relations with him. The importance of sola scriptura can be seen when men who thought they held to it begin moving away from it, and express their newfound objections. Pretty much actually. And how Luther taught that if one is to sin, sin great, but believe and pray even greater which makes the entire concept of Protestanism lunacy to begin with. How, where, and to whom did God reveal the infallible canon? 2]Cherish and love the Holy Scriptures, being careful to not impose your theological structures upon its message. Trinity Part 2, What is the Doctrine of the Trinity? The minimum requirement is mutual respect. P.O. Do you also REJECT all those books that the Catholic Church rejected as NOT being part of that New Testament Canon? James White owes Catholics an apology for this. Esau, All other points aside whether the admonishing was truly needed or not is irrelevant. Sorry, Gwen, but your post style so so like Carebears that I didnt notice when you jumped into a conversation. You accuse Catholic Answers for the url There are some actions one is obligated to take in situations like these even if you do not feel guilty of being uncharitable. Akin has not scheduled a debate, at least publicly. Admin State/Province:CA The Covenant Code The only thing that has gone on here is 6 or 7 people posted anwhere from 50 to 60 posts each, whipping each other into a mob frenzy J+M+J. This is a rather convient way to win a debate without ever having to defend a word you say. James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. Remember nowsubstance. Stop twisting things. In fact, even the notion that invoking Nazis equates to forfeiture is technically an extension of the original law, which merely states that a comparison to Hitler or Nazis becomes increasingly inevitable the longer an online discussion continues. Which is why he remains so popular, it seems! From what I gather Jimmy Akin isnt claiming to win the debate because of the merits of his argument. You can certainly make changes to this design and add your own touches to make this more personal. May I suggest that if that is the case then: And this after washing his hands of us and coming back. The sort of conversation you might overhear at a professional wrestling match, I imagine. Krautoid. For instance, in this design, the red-coloured alpha symbol is adding a certain vibrance to the overall motif. And, as he is becoming more stupid, I can only imagine it as a sign that he is moving closer to Rome Reno, The End of Interpretation: Reclaiming the Priority of Ecclesial Exegesis. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. I am not easily shocked. Posted by: CareBear | Aug 13, 2007 4:28:08 PM 1. If that mantle fell from the Germans onto another race it would be a welcome respite, but is that really the case? Again, these are only cursory thoughts Ill finish more when I get back from Mass. Alpha and Omega Ministries its all of us, over here, still reeling from those @#&%* pictures It is Augustines antithesis all over again. When did CareBear claim he was saved by effeminate characters? Is Knowing Jesus the Only Way to be Saved? I asked for a summary. One thing is certain: Edward, Were gonna go to imams! Director of Alpha & Omega Ministries. That leaves me with a bit of a conundrum, why is a roman Catholic apologetics website bearing the name of an apologist who opposes their position. This is the fourth, and thankfully, final portion of my response. I cannot believe that Christians are defending those caricatures of Catholics as insane people who, if they disagree with you would riot, and cause physical harm to you. Perhaps we should go above and beyond on showing him the love Christ demands As far as the actual issue at work (come on, ignore the silly pictures), White is a real nitpicker. Dont poisen the well. Esau, Question: if the Bible is 100% Gods Word (as I believe as well), why do we talk about Paul, Peter, Matthew, etc. The only thing that has gone on here is 6 or 7 people posted anwhere from 50 to 60 posts each, whipping each other into a mob frenzy, which is what Akin appears to have wanted as he has remained silent through it all, even silent to allegations of him totally jumping the gun. Given that Jesus Himself warned that you should count the cost before becoming a Christian, you have to explain why something being dark and threatening is an argument against it. Celebs Wiki. ^_^. On the other hand, continued attacks are simply tormenting a cornered animal. If were going to play that game though, please prove to me James White was aware that the pictures would yield said results and that he didnt post them in jest, as on that premise rests all the argument of your wolf criers and alarm monkies. Albeit, as born-again Not all Muslims are terrorists, no matter how much you presume them to be. Check what I say and you will discover it is true, that But to claim theres some comparison within Catholicism is a joke. Additionally, in the Bible, Jesus Christ refers to himself as the alpha and the omega, to signify His eternal nature, as He is the beginning and the end. I apologize, especially to Dr. White and to CareBear, for the heavy-handedness of my post above. Apparently you looked only at that post and did not read the thread because in that same 11:19 post, I said that Mary and I are separate people. (Of course, in that time, I did some theological reflection, and the doctrine developed into a more fully rounded & Biblical set of teachings. Slander is saying something not true, so perhaps you should consider what exactly youre saying before you go shooting your keyboard off. Not that Im asking right now. First, the above allegorical example of author writing a book dies a hard death of insufficiency when applied to the Word of God. teach the heresy of Lordship Salvation. its history, developmemt, and definition is immaterial Third, it actually produces a queasy feeling in my gut when I spend a couple of hours trying to put together a good, meaningful post, that expresses legitimate disappointment in the theocracy (definitely a theocracy) promoted by Rome, only to have it thrown off as utter nonsense. What can I say to that, in clear conscience? He is a professor, having taught Greek, Systematic Theology, and various topics in the field of apologetics. As at least one person has suggested above, its time to stop feeding the energy machine. The History of Nathan the Prophet[8] I think he made a error in judgement. Lets be honest, if it were anyone other than him posting pictures like that people wouldnt be reacting in such a manner. Foxfier defies Aristotillean logic and that does it for me. It seems only fair, then, that just as you would like people to listen to you for your expertise in apologetics, so you owe it to me to listen to my expert, although necessarily brief, evaluation of your blog pictures which is what Jimmy asked to be the topic under Thats the kind of thing Im talking about. Whose fruit is this squabbling between Jimmy and James? As someone active in the pro-life movement, I have to tell you that I am accustomed to violent shrieking, rude gestures, angry insults, and even guys in tricked out VW buses getting so upset they nearly rip the rearview mirror out. OK by you? He worked for many years as a hospital chaplain. The onus is on YOU to prove it. 877-753-3341 (US Callers Only). Christ gave them all power and authority, saying, He who hears you hears me: he who rejects you rejects me.(Luke 10:16) and Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound also in heaven (Matt. 1:11). This is the water cooler where people chat with each other about whatever theyve a mind to. Your original claim was that the Apostles were empowered. Good read, if youre allowed. Classic Romanist response to Sola Scriptura is to intentionally misrepresent the doctrine in order to defeat it. For a man who believes in a savior who saves perfectly and not one who simply tries to save but fails and one who believes that all that the Father gives will be found by Jesus; in other words, those who will be saved must be saved regardless of what anyone does. Thats where protestantism is really you friend. Its easy to come across badly in writing because you cant see their facial expressions like you can in person if they werte talking to you. How (historically and logically) did God reveal this Canon and the Scriptures to his flock? Instead of requesting that I just go read the book, why not provide the salient points for me? GODWINS LAW HAS SPOKEN. It takes more than a few monkies to to consitute a cirus! So put upon is he by the cacophonous calls for charity that he has to break the tension by putting up what he believes are a few innocent and humorous pictures. Nobody has defended the URL thing, weve just pointed out that accusations are unfounded and assume the one accused are utter idiots. And yes, by making them, he IS crying uncle. Its as close to an admission of error as youll ever get with him. I make my own choices, and God allows me to do so. Its kind of part of the package deal of being a confessing sinner. Your first sentence is a non sequitur. . I do not in any way, retract that statement. A humor killer is an attempt at humor that defeats itself by using contextual elements that are horrific or defeats the ability of an audience to access certain areas of mental space safely. Is this attempted humor time or context bound? Knowledge infallible is purely dependant upon God, but in the scheme of Author to reader as devised in his example, there is also a component of human reception and explanation that needs to be addressed. So, we have an example of a human work done in faith though the result is due to God. You cannot conclude a UNIVERSAL from a PARTICULAR. A new MP3 sermon from Alpha and Omega Ministries is now available on SermonAudio with the following details: Title: The Regime Continues to Promote the Culture of Death, Christian Nationalism, Ecclesia Subtitle: The Dividing Line 2022 Speaker: Dr. James White Broadcaster: Alpha and Omega Ministries Event: Sunday Service Date: 10/25/2022 Length . It was quite the horrendous act and I pray White comes to see that and to repent, for his own spiritual wellbeing. the secular news, who loves to feature these Prejudiced. The last refuge of the scoundrel who offends is hey, it was just a joke. CareBear, *we dont care* what insanity you want to bring out. Even Martin Luther acknowleged this: For instance, at times White comes across as sarcastic or arrogant when writing online but i think that is not a true indicator of his character. Now, I realize that there is tension between Catholics and James White because he challenges the teachings of the Catholic Faith but dont let that distort your judgements. But I do understand Dr. Whites sense of frustration. The instrument of healing that God chose was to direct Moses to mount a bronze serpent on a pole. as being authors of particular books? Mr. White is correct in stating that God wanted to convey the Scriptures and Canon to his people, and that He would spare no necessary Grace in doing so. Something to keep his mind occupied from the horror. QUICK!!!! Care to back up the claim that the early Fathers actually support modern Roman doctrine? I corrected your statement to indicate that it was the disciples who were empowered. How could understanding and knowledge in a mediated sense (read: human knowledge of the Canon) not be in some way dependent on the humans or the Church which is said to possess it? I have heard White and Akin interact and it was professional and courteous on both sides. But he cannot hide his many falsehoods. Then we talked vaccine mandates and what they Back in the regular studio today. Whats worst is that these are the kind of folks that make Protestants look bad! When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies. A rash assumption, but perhaps hell handle it later in the next paragraph? I think you should read his book The Roman Catholic Controversy and see what Dr. White has to say concerning the development of doctrine. http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2007/08/james-white-has.html#c79351988. Are Temples Consistent with NT Christianity? The pictures might not be funny, but Esaus gratuitous usage of the caps lock button sure is. James White is an unstable individual. Sigh. And then you go off on how he hasnt proven James Whites innocence. Did you have something of substance you wanted to say, or were you just going to back me up in a sarcastic manner. I guess were all waiting for something. a. because the Bible told me to. It is my hope that Catholics and Protestants can converse without all the rancour that Ive seen since I started blogging in October 2006. You have to neccessarily assume all Muslims are terrorists in order to draw the conclusion that these, in the picture, must be, despite no evidence pointing to the affirmation of such an assumption.
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