And if youd like to find me online, just go to JulieRoys.com. Their board operated by unanimity as well. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. Yeah, apparently its not going to happen. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. And its so important, I think, for any of us who are doing any kind of ministry at all, if we get our identity wrapped up in what were doing, then what were doing is no longer ministry, its no longer service to the Lord. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. It was stunning to me. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. Happened so often, I quit altogether. I think one of the ways that Willow tried to reckon with the situation was to permit Bill Hybels to retire from his role at the church. Heres to better days and better church health. I was blown away. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. You have your identity rooted in something other than Christ, the centrality of Christ. And unless theyre pollinated by hand, on the one day that the bloom opens, they wont make anything. And thankyou for all you do in the NAME of JESUS! In another area, it might be used to groom someone and use vulnerability as a mechanism to draw people into something that is corrupt. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. I would probably have been among those who defended Bill saying, He couldnt have done these things; Hes too strong of a Christian leader. I see this culture as similar to the Corinthian church with the man who was involved with his fathers wife. Dear anonymous. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. Briscoe This is just the way things are in Corinth. That way, youll never miss an episode. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. Just go to BuyACar123.com. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray So I was really struggling with my faith. Its really pride. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. And if you dont have a character to lead, no manual is going to help you. JULIE ROYS 23:38, What I meant by that comment is that unanimity didnt create any problems for the board and senior pastor because everyone agreed with James MacDonald. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. That was my upbringing. Absolutely. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. But the thing that was so shocking to me, is that Bill Hy Hybels was the first pastor I had ever seen be so vulnerable from the pulpit. At least, thats how I saw it. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Mitch is an attorney, a church elder and an advocate for abuse victims. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Thats a rhetorical question. What I need most is what I dont have. And thats what, thats what you end up protecting right? And my understanding was the elder board set some boundaries for Clinton to be able to come and speak. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp., Julie, I have a different take on what happened at WCC. And really, I came back to the Lord at Willow and He used that church to help me reestablish my relationship with Him and with His church. I mean, that is just huge. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. With that purpose in mind, they launched theTelling the Truth ministry. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. None at all. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. I appreciate your feedback. I think thats dangerous. And if you think its not, you know, go and look in your church building right now, if youre quarantined under COVID, or youre not gathering. I mean, its an accurate criticism of people within the church. How did that all happen? Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. And this is whats so difficult. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. And sadly, I think they have still. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. So he said something about so and sos clothing. But it just has not really looked like true repentance in so many ways. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. But they spoke. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And he offers keen insights that are desperately needed as many churches today struggle to be healthy and to avoid the mistakes other megachurches have made. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? And he committed sex acts with her. For that we are forever grateful. Hybels at one point had a major conflict with a woman who was serving on the elder board, who was trying to hold him accountable and essentially used a reconciliation process involving some other big names in evangelicalism to essentially run her off, put her under an NDA. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. Now, God is leading our friend and leader Pete away from these walls, and we look on with sadness the sadness that comes when a season you love is passing. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. Absolutely horrible. It is a collection of people that we are to care for. Thank God I have Jesus. Thank you so much. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." I thought that emails could always be recovered, even after being erased, by a good IT person. I think the load needs to be shared. Its scripturally rooted. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. And this is a huge problem in the Evangelical Church in the southern baptist church, I mean, just absolutely massive problem where so often the predators covered up instead of brought to justice. Theres a lot of church boards that operate that way. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Yeah, I think youre gonna be waiting a while. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. I have plenty of authentic friends just not at church. and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. Why didnt others support them? Yes, I totally agree. If you have six members of the Board of eight, lets just say its eight or 10. A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Multiple services, being able to do it on cue, proves Hybels theatrical abilitiesI look back and feel sick, given all the details we now know from behind the scenes. I was a member of WCCC for many years. 1 talking about this. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. The church is literally a collection of people. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. I attended Willow for seven years. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? Yeah, right. Powerful ministry at some points. To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. Why did so many look the other way for so long? God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. That is not a matter of policy. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. This is a calling. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. But you have seen the the worst of it. But this is the beauty of I think whats arisen is an independent media. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. Its something like Child Protection Policies. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Yeah, yeah, I think I think thats a good word to Julie. I dont know. So appreciate. Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. And I feel that way with these pastors. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. Hes just an affectionate kind of guy. However, whenever he would do that quavering voice, etc., I would wonder how he could do that for all three identical services? They show up, they sell books. Is that right? Pete has offered to They didnt have the ability to move quickly. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. I know for a fact that his article was circulated among the staff at Willow, and they crossed the Rubicon of credulity. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. But I have to say that in the middle of dealing with a lot of tall weeds and bugs, God has also given me some flowers and fruit trees to enjoy. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. Please know you are not alone. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. These are people that are in your country club. So, and youre the chairman of your board. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. The vanilla bean is incredibly hard to harvest. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. We were fighting asymmetric warfare, right? And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. 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