As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Then why did you ask me any questions? Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. Unfortunately, they depend on LifeWay to deliver sound material. Certainly. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). Go beyond putting ourselves first. One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. But when an author rebukes another Christian publicly, as you have Ms. Shirer, than perhaps they may be asked to clarify further? I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. Thats very wise, and I respect that. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. -Opened new Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. How is this different? Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. Ohmygoodness!!!! 13 Bible Verses about God's Ways Beyond Human Understanding Most Relevant Verses Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. 2. Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Thanks for stopping by! Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. read more, Scripture: Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. Jonah 2:10. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. Ive read her own account explaining this. Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. We cannot live without fear. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. Also, there are some great resources here. First,this is a sin. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) No-one is beyond hope. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. Do you have other references to their false teaching? They are busy caring for their churches. I wish this particular writer would have more clearly defined what he means by silence. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? Priscilla Shirer is. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. Did anything frighten you this morning? Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every 1 That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. Scripture: Throughout #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! Then please feel free to ask Id be glad to help you or look it up. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. A large chunk of the New Testament (Matthew 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, the book of Jude, and many other passages) is devoted to warning people against false teaching. She does. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. Plus, she has a Bible and supposedly knows it well enough to teach it. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. but me and the wife basically just wanted to thank and encourage you sorry for the wall of text! - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? on her, one of them probably will. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Im surprised to hear thats her position. 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: This is how people learn and grow in their faith. Is she a false teacher? God made you capable and smart enough to read His word in a systematic way, understand it, and grow from it. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? #4a I see where you noted that Priscilla uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. Or and be .. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. Thank you, Michelle! Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. You decide. unbiblical) meditation. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. TEXT: Going Beyond Obedience. Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. Its a complete waste of time. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. Yes it is the little people or the less known that are standing against these deceptions and I am so glad that you are and there are many more. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 Oops! Grace&Peace in Christ brother travis & sister tori, Thanks so much, Travis. Michelle, Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Too, Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends, Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMatters, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2, Going Beyond Scripture: Why Its Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season, http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html, Priscilla Shirer: vetting a winsome but wayward teacher | Pilgrims Progress revisited - Christiana on the narrow way, Sharing the Housewife Theologians Review of Fervent | Steak and a Bible, https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/, https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx, https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, Dr. Oz, Priscilla Shirer, Carl Lentz partner for Faithful Fridays show | Aspreeman's Archives, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017 Emergent Watch, Is She a False Teacher? 1. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. 2 Kings 5:1-15 He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Id be interested in hearing what Tony Evans says about his daughters doctrine. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. I am a born again Christian. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! 3. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: Again, since Scripture, not our opinions or feelings, is our authority, we have to obey that. :0). That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. John says virtually the same thing, and adds that to partner with false teachers is to take part in their wicked works. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. This article really turned me off on her. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Verse 13. I also dislike how she makes a career of telling women not to have careers. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. read more, Scripture: Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. Hummm. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. Exegesis is taking a passage of Scripture in context, and leading out of it- teaching what the passage means. It does NOT say, and be baptist. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Now to Him who, in exercise of His power that is at work within us, is able to do infinitely beyond all our highest prayers or thoughts-- World English Bible Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Young's Literal Translation If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). But you have fired a shot across the bow and Im hoping that you will have the courage to further clarify your stand against a sister. I am gonna pray for you. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: No where did she usurp authority etc. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. Id be interested, too! The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. read more, Scripture: There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Reblogged this on queeninchrist's Blog and commented: My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. This article is kept continuously updated as needed. The riches of His word are amazing! MATTHEW 14:16 she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? Be a Christian Who Cares http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! I think you are judging and do not agree with you. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). Are you into apologetics or something? https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. GOING BEYOND THE DUTY CALL AND WHAT IS EXPECTED! Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men.
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